The background behind the
current political crisis in Egypt is that there is a real struggle for power
between the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist parties and secular opposition
parties, says Middle East expert, Marina Ottaway. She says that the strategy of
the Brotherhood is to use "the electoral arena, not necessarily because they are
more democratic but because they can win elections." Meanwhile, the strategy of
the secular opposition is to [use] "the courts in order to bolster their own
power and to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from benefiting from the results of
elections." Ottaway says that much of the current political crisis comes from
"the fact that the opposition parties, the secular opposition, know that they
are not going to win an election and probably know that they cannot stop the
[constitutional] referendum."
There is a real struggle for
power in Egypt right now between the Islamist forces, mostly the Muslim
Brotherhood, and the secular opposition, which is extremely fragmented, over who
is going to inherit Egypt after former President Hosni Mubarak. The two sides
are not fighting with the same weapons. The Muslim Brothers are fighting in the
electoral arena, not necessarily because they are more democratic but because
they can win elections. So it is to their advantage to have elections, to have a
referendum and so on. The secular opposition does not have the support of a
unified organization to win elections and are using the courts in order to
bolster their own power and to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from benefiting
from the results of elections.
How do you see this
crisis unfolding? Is this going to go on for a long time?
The next step in this crisis is
whether or not President Mohamed Morsi is going to be able to hold a referendum
on the constitution, now scheduled for December 15. The only way in which the
crisis can be resolved is if a constitution is approved, so that there is power
sharing between an elected parliament, the courts and the president. Until a
constitution is approved, that cannot happen and this decree that Morsi issued
is going to remain in force, partly because there is nothing else. The problem
now is that some judges are still threatening to boycott the elections, in the
sense of refusing to supervise the referendum and presumably the elections that
would follow the referendum if it is approved. So the question is whether the
controversial constitution is going to be approved and whether there will be an
election afterward.
Is there some
compromise possible?
That remains to be seen. I am
not seeing it so far. If not enough judges are willing to take part, what Morsi
might try to do is to set up a new election commission that does not depend on
judges. And if he is smart enough to bring in a lot of international observers
to observe the election, then it is going to be more difficult for the
opposition to say that he fabricated the election results—even though they will
probably say that he fabricated the election results no matter what. The
relationship between Islamists and secular parties at this point is so
confrontational, neither side is going to accept what the other one says, but I
think the presence of international observers in this particular case might
really be a help to Morsi.
Until recently, Morsi
had created an image for himself as a statesman in his work in helping bring an
end to that Hamas-Israel conflict. Then the next day he announced this
dictatorial sounding decree.
But this crisis did not start
when Morsi issued the very dictatorial decree. I think the crisis was spawned
when the Supreme Constitutional Court annulled the parliamentary election and
disbanded the parliament that had been elected in elections that everybody had
recognized as being free and fair. The court seized on the issue of the
constitutionality of the election law, which was a very interesting case in and
of itself because they judged the constitutionality of the election law on the
basis of the 1971 constitution that had been abrogated after the overthrow of
Mubarak. So it was a blatantly political decision on the part of the court, and
of course Morsi responded with a tit-for-tat with
an equally political decision to put himself above the reach of the court.
I'm struck by the fact
that so many of the media seem to be opposed to Morsi on this, including some of
the major television commentators. In fact, many independent newspapers did not
publish on Tuesday in protest. Is this a sign of how divided the
country is?
Yes, the country is very
divided. Let me add that what we are seeing in Egypt is exactly what we saw in
Turkey in the past, and it is still going on in Turkey to some extent today.
Essentially Egypt has been dominated the way Turkey was by a secular elite that
really represented the minority of the country. That secular elite has been in
power in Egypt essentially since the British left in 1956, and that is what put
the imprint on the country. And now there is a very large majority which tends
towards the Muslim Brotherhood. They are people who are less educated, who are
more pious, that are very conservative, and not necessarily at ease with the
secular direction that the previous elite put on the country. And the two elites
are struggling with each other. It's not just a matter of who is in the
government now, but really a question of which elite will prevail overall.
In Turkey after the first Islamist party was elected, not the Justice and Development Party (AKP) that has been in power now for ten years, but before that there was an election of a much more radical Islamist party and that party was disbanded by the court. The courts in Egypt, in a sense had been trying to do the same thing. They have not dared dismiss the Muslim Brotherhood, or disband the Freedom and Justice Party, which is the party the Muslim Brotherhood has created, although there are lawsuits for the party to be disbanded.
Since Morsi's
declaration of power, we haven't heard anything from the army. Do you think the
army will stay out of this or do you think they will enter into the political
world?
That is the big question. One
is that the army last August essentially made some deal with the Muslim
Brotherhood and withdrew from an open political role. They did so for two
reasons. One which is very clear is that they really got upset by what was
happening in Sinai. They were losing control of Sinai to terrorist
organizations, and they realized that they had taken their eyes off their
primary mission, which is that of maintaining the safety and the security of the
country. The other reason is that it is going to be increasingly difficult for
the military to play a political role in this very divided atmosphere because
probably the military is itself polarized internally.
The military is a cross section of Egyptian society after all. They have a very large number of draftees, and a lot of the draftees are undoubtedly sympathizers of the Muslim Brotherhood, if not of the Salafis. They are your average Egyptian 20- year old. And probably, there are divisions in the officer corps. We don't know what is going on the military. I have an impression that even American intelligence agencies don't know what's going on in the military. So there is a real question about whether the military could intervene without splitting, and that would create an even bigger crisis in a country already in crisis.
What's the situation
with the Supreme Constitutional Court?
The court was not going to rule
on the the legality of the constitution but on the legality of the constituent
assembly. The Constitutional Court cannot judge on the constitutionality of the
constitution. It is a new constituion. What they were supposed to rule on is the
legality of the constituent assembly. That issue I think is now water under the
bridge, because the constituent assembly has adopted a draft and has finished
its job. The big issue now is whether or not the judges will supervise the
referendum, because the constitution requires the referendum in order to be
fully approved. We know that some judges have said they will.
The opposition, which
has so many prominent secularists in its midest seems that it cannot get its act
together.
Much of the crisis comes from
the fact that the opposition parties, the secular opposition, know that they are
not going to win an election and probably know that they cannot stop the
referendum. The Islamists will win the referendum, if there is a referendum, the
constitution is going to be approved. So what we have now is this paradoxical
situation, in the name of democracy, in which the secular oppostion is trying to
prevent any form of voting. They don't want the referendum and they dont want
elections because they're going to lose them.
You've read the draft
constition. How would you describe it? Does it really deprive women of rights,
as some people have said?
No, it proclaims the rights of
all citizens. The article that was released early on concerning equality for
women within the framework of Islamic values has been removed. It's not fully
supportive of freedom of the press. Human Rights Watch published a very
interesting analysis, and Human Rights Watch as you know, is very, very
demanding of what they expect of a constitution. While they expressed
reservations, they did not say in the end that it was a disaster.
In other words, the problem
with a constitution at this point is not so much the content, although certainly
there are issues that could be adjusted. It's the way it was approved, in the
eyes of the secularists, and more broadly it's going to be the political climate
within which it is going to be implemented. That political climate is a very
imbalanced political scene in which the Islamists hold sway, and therefore the
same articles that existed in the previous constitution, for example concerning
the fact that the legislation needs to confrom to principles of Sharia that was
also in the 1971 constitution, this time probably are going to be taken more
seriously than they were before. They may have different kinds of consequences.
But the constitution in itself is not the disastrous document that the
secularists make it out to be.
The secular forces are
condemning the draft constitution for maintaining a presidential system. They
are now arguing that they should have moved to a weaker president, to more of a
parliamentary system. A year ago it was the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted a
parliamentary system, and it was the secular forces that argued Egypt needed a
strong president. So they have reversed the position. The reason is very simple:
the Muslim Brotherhood has won the presidency.
And for U.S. policy?
The United States is observing right now, can it do anything?
I dont think it can do
anything. I think in terms of the domestic politics, the United States does not
have any influence. It's quite a change from the past.
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